Hope in disappointing Canada jobs report


By Bill Mann, MarketWatch
PORT TOWNSEND, Wash. (MarketWatch) — “The biggest risks to the Canadian economy,” read the headline in a Vancouver daily this week, “are all global uncertainties that lie outside its borders.” Unlike the situation in America these days, Canada’s employment problems aren’t nearly as political and systemic.
The disappointing news last week that the Canadian economy shed 5,000 jobs last month, marking the second month in a row for job losses, according to Statistics Canada, also carried some good news as well: Most of those job losses were in part-time positions. Full-time jobs created were actually up.
And there’s far more hope in Canada these days than you’ll find in the U.S. in many areas, economically and otherwise. And there are several good reasons for it, not least of which is that while the U.S. will probably continue shipping jobs to China, Canada will be shipping oil to it.
Canada’s unemployment rate in August inched up to 7.3 per cent, rising by 0.1 percentage points from July’s 7.2 percent. The U.S. unemployment rate is over 9 percent.
Granted, the European debt crisis and the struggling U.S. economy are major factors weighing on the fragile but still-recovering Canadian economy, which has regained all its job losses from the recession. (Canada didn’t have a mortgage crisis because its banks are stronger and they’re far more regulated, which has helped its smaller economy greatly.)
Even though Canada’s jobless rate is lower than America’s and is nowhere near, say, that of Spain’s, which tops 20 per cent, Canada’s top leadership has turned its attention to jobs recently -- and there’s not even an election looming. Plus, unlike his American counterpart, Prime Minister Stephen Harper can actually do something about jobs, since his Conservative Party also controls the nation’s purse strings.
So, unlike that in the U.S., it’s not gloom and doom in the Canadian job market. In the U.S., President Obama’s $447 billion jobs proposal seems likely to be shot down or smothered by a Republican party seemingly hellbent on ending his presidency through whatever means necessary, even economic malfeasance.

Ottawa focused on jobs

Harper’s majority government, meanwhile, now seems more and more likely to hold off a bit on its deficit-reduction program these days and fund more jobs That’s quite a different scenario than the one in the taxphobic, Tea Party-infected U.S.
True, Harper’s Conservatives won their majority in Parliament partly by promising to cut spending and return to a balanced budget by mid-decade. But mostly, it was because of the ineptitude of its main opposition, the Liberal Party, and its feckless former leader, Michael Ignatieff.
Officials in Ottawa haven’t said yet what measures Harper might take to goose Canadian job creation But the 2011 Canadian budget contains several targeted measures to create jobs, such as money for energy retrofits and incentives for the private sector to hire.
Several of those programs are scheduled to expire with the current fiscal year, but extending some of them would be among the steps Harper’s government could take.
While the U.S. continues to export jobs to China, Canada will probably be exporting more and more oil there in the years ahead. Accounts receivable are preferable to debt.
It would doubtless be wise if the U.S. and Canada would move away from their petroleum-dependent economies, but alas, that’s not likely to happen any time soon. But, unlike the U.S., Canada is a net oil exporter. And flush Canadian suitor China’s energy-hungry economy wants — needs — increasing amounts of oil.
China is a promising part of the Canadian jobs picture — and indirectly, that of the U.S:
Canada’s oil-sands production of bitumen is expanding rapidly, and China is pressing Ottawa to build a pipeline to British Columbia so it can get at that crude more easily. Alberta’s Energy Minister Ronald Liepert said in New York last week that Canada’s oil-sands industry is facing a job shortage of 75,000 positions, and he wants to make it easier for unemployed American construction workers to come to that oil-rich province to work. Alberta’s oil-sands industry will double production in the next decade, he said.
Plus, a shortage of qualified Canadian workers as Baby Boomers retire is the reason most often cited for Canada’s increasing legal immigration. That’s another big difference in Canada and the U.S. these days.

Full-timers rule

So, it’s not all doom and gloom, even in a cooling Canadian jobs market, where, over the past year, the economy still has created almost 225,000 jobs, an increase of 1.5 per cent. Full-Time work is up by 2.2 per cent, and part-time jobs down by 2.3 per cent, says Statistics Canada.
So, to borrow a familiar U.S. political phrase, there is reason to keep hope alive in Canada, even with sluggish and sometimes-shaky world and U.S. economies heavily weighing on it.
Hope is definitely something that’s still easier to find in Canada, where the government in Ottawa, even a nominally conservative one, isn’t as paralyzed or polarized as it is in the U.S. As we’ve noted, Canada’s Conservative Party is much closer to the U.S. Democratic Party than it is to the GOP on the political spectrum.
So overall, the latest disappointing jobs report isn’t ominous. John Clinkard, chief economist for Canada at Deutsche Bank AG, told the Toronto Globe and Mail that he sees it as a lull rather than a slump, and said the spate of full-time job growth for much of this year shows the underlying strength in Canada’s jobs market.
And we’ll take full-time jobs to those part-timers any day. 
Bill Mann is a MarketWatch columnist, based in Port Townsend, Wash.

By Owen Roberts, Urban Cowboy

Immigrant farmers helped build a thriving agri-food sector

This week we’re welcoming more than 250 of the world’s top agricultural journalists to our area, when three years of determined, hard work culminates with a celebration of Canadian agriculture — and a nod to those who put it on the map.
The participants belong to the International Federation of Agricultural Journalists, comprising about 5,000 members from 30 countries. As part of their annual congress, they’re visiting farms in southern, central and eastern Ontario, after ceremoniously being welcomed in Guelph Wednesday night.
The congress moves from country to country each year. However, it hasn’t been in Canada since 1967, because the organizational infrastructure wasn’t in place to support it. Over the past decade or so, though, the network of agricultural journalists and communications professionals throughout Canada has strengthened. New communications jobs have cropped up in business, industry and grower organizations, as farmers increasingly embrace the need to communicate with stakeholders and decision makers — politicians, the media and consumers, among them.
So with that lengthy hiatus between visits, there’s a lot of catching up to do. That’s where the likes of Canada’s Outdoor Farm Show comes in. The congress was timed to coincide with the show’s opening, because there’s no better place in Canada for a farm crowd to learn what’s new. Given the visitors are all looking for stories, the show, whose administrative home is in the University of Guelph’s research park, is a natural stop, as are the numerous farms, farm businesses and agricultural research stations the visitors will frequent during their five-day stay.
The congress’s theme, Experience New World Agriculture, was chosen mainly with visitors from the old world in mind. Canadian agriculture owes so much to immigrants, going back to the 1600s. Pardon me if I exclude anyone, but consider the Métis descendents of French fur traders who married aboriginal women and became farmers, mainly on the prairies and in Ontario. Later, Ukrainians, Scandinavians, Belgians, Dutch, Swiss, Germans, Russians, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, French, Italians and others (United Empire Loyalists, among them) from the old world would find regions here that suited them or were available, and further open the land. Chinese workers toiled to create rail lines that would move new farmers from coast to coast. Even now, Canadian agriculture would struggle mightily without migrant workers.
This diversity has contributed to a dynamic agriculture and agri-food sector, one that’s eager to tell its many stories to visiting journalists. During the development of this congress, the organizing committee found doors opened when potential sponsors (many of whom are exporters) came to realize the uniqueness of having 250 eager journalists on their doorsteps — eager to learn about New World agriculture, and eager to share stories with hundreds of thousands of readers, listeners and viewers around the world.
Journalism places great importance on mentoring, and in that spirit, the 2011 congress has for the first time an applied program — dubbed a boot camp — for young journalists. It also features a newly minted professional development initiative for journalists from underdeveloped countries to help them connect with their colleagues, who are among the best anywhere. Appropriately, it’s called a master class.
But learning is a two-way street. When Guelph Mayor Karen Farbridge and University of Guelph president Alastair Summerlee join together to welcome delegates to the city Wednesday, it will indeed mark many visitors’ first experience with new world agriculture. They’re not the only ones who’ll have their eyes opened, however. How about Canadian farm writers, who likewise get to rub elbows with colleagues from 29 other countries, and learn from them?
It’s an exciting time — and a proud moment — to be a Canadian agricultural journalist. Welcome to the new world.

Best Employers for New Canadians


Background
Now entering its 5th year, the Best Employers for New Canadians competition is managed by the editors of Canada's Top 100 Employers in partnership with ALLIES, a joint initiative of the The Maytree Foundation and The J.W. McConnell Family Foundation, two foundations with long histories of strengthening Canadian communities. This special designation recognizes the nation's best employers for recent immigrants. These employers offer interesting programs to assist new Canadians in making the transition to a new workplace -- and a new life in Canada. This year's winners were announced in aspecial editorial feature published March 28, 2011 in The Globe and Mail.
Selection Process
Each employer is evaluated in terms of whether: (1) they offer programs specifically designed to assist employees who are recent immigrants to Canada; (2) they have taken steps to reduce employment barriers for recent immigrants, such as by recognizing foreign educational credentials and experience; (3) they assist new employees who have foreign professional or educational credentials in getting these qualifications formally recognized in Canada; (4) they offer "onboarding" programs, such as internal coaching or mentoring, to help new employees who are recent immigrants understand the Canadian workplace; and (5) their managers and employees receive training in cross-cultural issues or inclusiveness to help create a welcoming and productive environment for employees who are recent immigrants. The winners are selected by the editors of Canada's Top 100 Employers -- our partners at ALLIES do not take part in the selection of winners.
Eligibility Requirements
Any employer operating in Canada may apply for this competition. Employers of any size may apply, whether private or public sector.
Media Partner
The Globe and Mail is our exclusive newspaper partner on the Best Employers for New Canadians competition. The Globe announces the competition winners in a special editorial supplement, published each spring.

2011 Winners:
(in alphabetical order, click for our editors' reasons for selection)
BC Hydro
Bell Aliant Regional Communications, LP
BMO Financial Group
Bombardier Aerospace
Business Development Bank of Canada
Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce / CIBC
CH2M HILL Canada Limited
Christie Digital Systems Canada, Inc.
Davis + Henderson, Limited Partnership
Deloitte & Touche LLP
Energy Resources Conservation Board
Ernst & Young LLP
Fraser Milner Casgrain LLP
Halton, Regional Municipality of
Human Resources & Skills Development Canada
KPMG LLP
Loblaw Companies Limited
Manitoba Lotteries Corporation
McGill University Health Centre, The
Mississauga, Corporation of the City of
Mount Sinai Hospital
Nexen Inc.
Nordion Inc.
Ontario Public Service
Pitney Bowes Canada Inc.
Providence Health Care
Provincial Health Services Authority
Rescan Environmental Services Ltd.
Royal Bank of Canada
Saskatoon Health Region
SaskEnergy Incorporated
St. Michael's Hospital
Syncrude Canada Ltd.
TD Bank Financial Group
Telus Corporation
TransCanada Corporation
University of Ottawa
Wardrop Engineering Inc.
Xerox Canada Ltd.
York, Regional Municipality of
Business Immigrant Programs: Federal v PNP

By: Roland Luo & Chris Munroe 
August 18, 2011 
Over the past 15 years, there has been a  big shift in Chinese immigration to 
Canada from skilled workers to investors and business people.  Potential business 
immigrants should be aware of differences between the Federal Business Immigration 
program and the Provincial Nominee Programs. 

Federal Business Immigrant Program 
The Federal Business Immigrant Program has two streams: entrepreneur and 
investor.  Both streams require applicants to have managed and controlled a qualifying 
business for at least two years, and have minimum net worth requirements. The main 
differences between the two streams are the significantly lower minimum net worth 
requirement for entrepreneurs and the conditions entrepreneur applicants must meet 
once approved and admitted as permanent  residents. Failure to meet these 
requirements may result in the applicants’ permanent resident status being revoked.
  
As of July 2011, the Federal Government has temporarily suspended processing 
new entrepreneur stream applications in an effort to reduce accumulated backlog. 
Applicants in the Federal Investor program have no post-admission 
requirements, however they must make an $800,000 investment with the government.  
This investment will be returned, without interest, after  five years.  Successful 
permanent residents in the investor stream are also free to pursue whatever interests or 
opportunities may arise once admitted. 

It is important to keep in mind that a new limit was put into place for the Federal 
Investor program. As of July 4, 2011, this new 700-case intake limit has already been 
met so no more applicants will be accepted until July 1, 2012.


Provincial Nominee Programs 
 Fortunately, many provinces have Provincial Nominee Programs (PNP) which in 
many cases can be a faster route for new  business immigrants. Each province has 
different streams in their PNP to meet the specific needs of their region.
In British Columbia there are three business immigrant PNP  streams: Strategic 
Projects, Business Skills, and Regional Business.  All  streams require successful 
applicants to actively engage in the management of a business in B.C., sign 
agreements with the provincial  government outlining their business plan, and create a 
number of jobs for Canadian citizens or permanent residents.  Successful applicants are 
only issued a Temporary Work Permit until the requirements of the performance 
agreement are met (usually in about two years). 

The Strategic Projects stream is best suited for foreign companies that wish to 
establish a presence in B.C.  because it allows successful applicant companies to bring 
up to five executives who wish to become permanent residents.   

The Regional Business and Business Skills  streams are similar in many ways.  
They are designed to allow  a single applicant the opportunity to purchase or start a 
business in the province.  Both streams offer fast-track options whereby an applicant 
can deposit  $125,000 with the government in return for immediate permanent resident 
status.  The deposit is returned, without interest, once the terms of the performance 
agreement are met.  The Regional Business stream has a lower required net worth and 
investment but the business established under this stream must be located outside of 
the Vancouver and Abbotsford metropolitan areas. 

Business immigrants should also keep in  mind that not all business ventures 
qualify for admittance under the B.C. PNP.  The program is designed to specifically 
address the needs of the BC economy, and as  such only certain kinds of businesses 
will be considered.  These include: manufacturing and resource-extraction, tourism, 
technology and research, and exporting goods and services.

British Columbia is a popular immigration destination because of its mild climate, 
vibrant economy, and its business immigrant streams. British Columbia traditionally also 
has a large and well-integrated Chinese community. 

Alberta, on the other hand,  does not offer any PNP  business or investor 
programs.  For those who are unable to meet the B.C. PNP requirements, some other 
provinces do offer attractive options.   The Saskatchewan Entrepreneur PNP, for 
example, only requires an investment of $150,000, a net worth of $300,000, and a 
$75,000 deposit, making it a more affordable  option to the B.C.  programs.  The only 
problem is having to survive the prairie winter.  


American workers good for Alberta, says MLA


Alberta’s Employment and Immigration minister wants the federal government to make it easier for Americans to work in Alberta.
Thomas Lukasuk said there’s a 25 per cent unemployment rate among trades people in Illinois and that making it easier for them to work in Alberta would also help ease a provincial worker shortage.
“I'm being assured by United States representatives here in Canada that they will also be sending that message to Washington and encouraging President [Barack] Obama to discuss that with Prime Minister [Stephen] Harper to open up our border so that there is greater fluidity of labour going north and south,” Lukasuk said.
Lukasuk wants the U.S. to lobby Canada to allow more American workers in.
He just returned from a trip to the United States and said he would be meeting with the ambassador to the United States in the next few weeks.

Saskatchewan’s unemployment rate remains lowest in Canada



Read it on Global News: Saskatchewan’s unemployment rate remains lowest in Canada 




Photo Credit: Brian Snyder , Reuters
Saskatchewan’s unemployment rate remains the lowest in Canada, according to the latest survey from Statistics Canada. 
The August unemployment rate in the province was 4.5 per cent, a drop of 0.4 per cent from July and down 0.3 per cent from the same period last year. 
“Our unemployment rate is by far the lowest in Canada and less than half the unemployment rate in the U.S.,” said Advanced Education, Employment and Immigration Minister Rob Norris. “While other places are struggling with high unemployment, our unemployment rate keeps going down.” 
There was a decrease of 3,200 in the number of people working in the province from August 2010, a trend the NDP calls “worrisome.” 
“To have stagnant job growth in Saskatchewan while Alberta’s labour market is booming is worrisome because we will likely end up exporting many of our unemployed to our neighbouring province,” said Cam Broten, the NDP critic for Education, Employment and Immigration. 
Alberta has added 87,500 jobs from one year ago. 
Full-time employment in the province also reached an all-time high of 454,300, breaking the previous record set in July. 
In Saskatoon, the unemployment rate was 5.1 per cent, a drop of 0.3 per cent from July, the fourth lowest rate for a metropolitan area in the country. 
Regina and Guelph had the lowest unemployment rate at 4.7 per cent and Quebec City was at 4.8 per cent. 
Nationally, the unemployment rate rose slightly to 7.3 per cent in August. 


Read it on Global News: Saskatchewan’s unemployment rate remains lowest in Canada 

U.S. Unemployment: Canada Sees 'Dramatic Growth' In American Job-Seekers

Americans Work Canada

By John Ferri, GlobalPost
TORONTO, Canada — Usually, you hear stories of people fleeing to America, not the other way around.
But the jittery state of the U.S. economy is driving an increasing number of its citizens to seek better prospects north of the border.
Americans are the latest economic refugees, and they’re heading to Canada.
As he prepares to campaign for re-election, U.S. President Barack Obama is expected to make a speech Thursday night that calls for immediate stimulus spending to create jobs and improve infrastructure.
But those reforms will be difficult to make. Republicans, who control the House of Representatives, have resisted any efforts to boost the economy through additional spending.
As life in the U.S. worsens, prospects in Canada seem all the brighter.
Canadian officials say the number of Americans applying for temporary work visas doubled between 2008 and 2010.
Immigration lawyers in Toronto and the border city of Windsor, right across from job-starved Detroit, say they’re seeing a dramatic growth in clients seeking to come to Canada to work, or even as permanent residents.
So, is this a reversal of fortunes on an historic scale? Has Canada become "el Norte"?
Well, not quite. The number of U.S. citizens working in Canada is, at least by global migration standards, relatively small with some 30,000 at the beginning of last year.
Still, Americans make up the second-largest group of temporary workers in Canada, behind only Filipinos, most of whom work as nannies.
Canada was one of the few to escape the 2008 financial meltdown relatively unscathed, a turn of events largely attributed to Ottawa’s long-standing refusal to deregulate the banking sector.
“I’m looking for a quiet, calm, sane, civilized society to start the next phase of my life,” said Michael, an out-of-work, white-collar professional from Michigan who is seeking a temporary visa to come to Canada.
Like several others interviewed for this article, he did not want his full name used for fear of drawing unwanted scrutiny to his application.
Though he describes himself as both patriotic and a conservative, Michael says he’s lost faith in U.S. leadership — “on both sides of the aisle” — for failing to stem the excesses that led to the collapse of Wall Street, and for the current political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling.
“I’m looking for a country where the first role of the government is to protect its citizens,” he said. “It looks to me like all [of Canada’s] three major political parties seem to have proven that they are much more responsible than our leadership.”
Workers like Michael are drawn to Canada’s lower unemployment rate — 7 percent in July compared to 9.1 in the U.S. — and sustained economic strength in major centers such as Toronto, which alone attracts an estimated 100,000 new arrivals a year.
These include not only people with temporary work visas, or those seeking permanent residency, but also increasing numbers of university students, drawn by highly-ranked Canadian schools where tuition, even at 3 or 4 times the rates for Canadians, is still a fraction of what it costs to attend many colleges in the U.S.
John Cameron’s mother lost her senior position at a bank branch in Maine in 2009 at the same time he was trying to finalize his choices for his freshman year in college.
He had his eye on American universities such as Loyola, University of Maryland, Columbia and Fordham.
His father, thinking about the finances, suggested the University of Toronto. Cameron was reluctant, but now he’s a Canadian convert.
”I really love it,” he said. “[It’s] hands-down one of the best schools in North America.”
Toronto has also become home to a couple in their mid-30s from New York City who both lost their full-time jobs in Manhattan in the wake of the 2008 crash. They now live in Canada on temporary visas.
“It’s important for us to live in a place with a lot of diversity and a good cultural sector,” said the woman, who asked that their names be withheld to avoid compromising their residency status in Canada. She says she was surprised at how quickly and efficiently they were able to qualify for Ontario health care.
Some Canadians who had considered America their adopted home are going back.
Al Brickman recently gave up on the United States after 30 years of running a Canadian-owned construction-supply business in Atlanta, Ga.
“I really did hold out for about two years,” he said, but business had bottomed-out in the economy. Brickman said that his billings, once around $100,000, had dropped on some months by as much as 95 percent.
Brickman moved home to Toronto to work at his company there, where he has a steady job as a general manager. His American wife and their 11-week-old baby, are now trying to emigrate to join him.
Since he got back, Brickman said he’s been fielding calls from American friends hoping he can get them a job up north, too.
Shawn Shepard, a legal software supervisor who was among hundreds laid off by his Manhattan law firm in 2008, is hoping a Canadian employer will sponsor him.
Shepard, who lives in Jersey City, N.J., is a regular visitor to Canada, with friends in Montreal and Toronto. With 20 years of experience, and, he admitted, “the arrogance of being a U.S. citizen,” he figured it would be a snap.
But now, he’s found himself in the classic migrant dilemma: “In order to get a work visa, you need a job offer. In order to get a job offer, you need a work visa.” And even if he were to interest a prospective employer, a visa would only be issued if the employer can show that no Canadian was qualified for the job.
“The economy up there is doing very well, despite the global slump,” Shepard wistfully told this reporter, a gainfully employed Canadian. “Your politicians didn’t put you in the same mess that ours did.”

Canadian public school boards recruit foreign students to boost coffers

From Saturday's Globe and Mail


Cash-strapped public school boards across the country are looking far outside their catchment areas – and even across oceans – to fill empty seats in classrooms and solve chronic funding problems.
Recruitment of foreign students to study alongside Canadian kids in kindergarten to Grade 12 is intensifying as school boards realize that parents abroad are eager for their children be educated in Canada, and willing to pay $10,000 to $14,000 a year in tuition for the privilege. Many boards have marketing directors to visit educational fairs around the world.
Patricia Gartland, international marketing director for the school district in the Vancouver suburb of Coquitlam, brought in $16-million – 6.5 per cent of the district’s operating budget – last year by attracting foreign students. B.C. leads the pack with about 14,000 international students in 2008, but Ontario, Alberta and Quebec are also popular.
Ontario’s ministry of education said the province’s public schools generated more than $40-million in tuition fees last year.
In Edmonton, tuition fees provide roughly double what the provincial government contributes for each domestic student in Alberta, said Ann Calverley, supervisor of the local board’s international education program. About 70 per cent of the tuition fees are used to help pay for teacher salaries and language classes for new immigrant students, she added.
A 2009 study commissioned by the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade put the number of international students in Canada’s public schools at 35,000 in 2008 – an increase of 44 per cent from 1998. In addition to injecting millions of dollars into the school boards, foreign students contributed $700-million to the Canadian economy in 2008.
While B.C.’s education ministry encourages school districts to offer international programs, individual boards of education make the final decision. “At the end of the day, the success of these programs is based on the efforts the districts have made to promote, implement and operate them,” said George Abbott, B.C.’s Minister of Education.
But Susan Lambert, president of the B.C. Teachers’ Federation, said this extra cash is creating a two-tiered public education system. “Some school boards are making a lucrative profit, while others are surviving on a pittance.”
She adds that international students cannot be considered a stable source of revenue. “Public education cannot be funded in this manner … something that can wane and ebb with the economic times.”
Ms. Garland credits a targeted marketing approach to Coquitlam’s success in luring students from the Asia-Pacific region. “Most people don’t think they want to come to Canada and study in Coquitlam, of all places… in fact, I bet most people haven’t even heard of us.” She said she focuses on regions that have direct flights to Vancouver, and uses immigration opportunities and Canada’s position as a global education leader as selling points. The school boards also help the foreign students arrange accommodation, often for an additional price, and generally facilitate their integration into Canada.
In Montreal, international students have provided Lester B. Pearson School Board with a solution for vacant school properties. Seigniory Elementary school, which was closed in 2006 due to declining enrolment,was converted into a dormitory for 96 international students, each paying around $11,500 a year to attend classes. A second school is set to undergo the same transformation.
Sonic Vheng, a Grade 11 student who has been studying at Pearson board since 2010 and lives in the Seigniory dormitories, said he enjoys going to school in Canada.
“I want to go to university here, and it’s a much better education here than in China,” he said.
Ontario’s public schools reported more than 3,300 international students in the 2009-10 school year. The Toronto District School Board hired Barbara Brown as its marketing director in 2010.
“Our biggest asset is that we have this ethnically diverse community, so many international students will feel comfortable here,” said Ms. Brown, the board’s chief enrolment officer.
Dasha Boichenko, who came to Canada from Kazakhstan in 2008 to attend Grade 10 in Coquitlam, said she had not planned to stay for more than a year, but felt comfortable here and chose Simon Fraser University for post-secondary.
“I have a certain level of stability here in Vancouver. Moving somewhere else meant I would have to start all over again,” she said.

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